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[maevele]

Is Cis A Dis? And other air castles to storm… « FemmEssay

a cis feminist making a damn strong point about cis privilege.

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Re: Trans lady thinks anyone that disagrees with her on anything is The Enemy.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

You're recalling it wrong, because I didn't apologize at all. In fact, I said that I knew from the beginning that you're a black woman, because I clicked through on your profiles.

The thread certainly didn't end with me apologizing.

So let me see, though:

Really, I recall that conversation ending with you apologizing after someone pointed out as a BLACK woman I might have some small idea of what it's like the fear the police.

Oh, so basically you're saying that as a black person, you might have insights into racism that I, as a white person, lack.

Which is sensible.

And yet you say that when I, as a trans person, discuss cissexism and transphobia -- and say that trans people have a better understanding of it than cis people, blinded by their own cis privilege -- you call that "bigotry" from me.

By this post, you're admitting that, yeah, sometimes the identity of the person speaking may very well make a difference. Even though in other places you accuse me of bigotry for using the very same principle.

Since you'll argue that you're not doing this, because you're stupid, let me show you exactly what's happening here.

Look at your statement here:

But noooooo...since I'm cis I have no idea what it's like NOT to have the police on my side. Therefore my opinions on the whole situation must come from a place of privilege and therefore be completely invalid.

So let's pretend that you and I are arguing about something -- say, POC trans women getting the police called on them -- and I assume you're white. (I didn't, but let's pretend.) And you say, "[some stuff]", and I say "that's wrong and messed up, whitey."

If you then say "ah, but I'm not white! I'm black!" does that make what you said suddenly valid? According to what you wrote above -- i.e., your views on the police are valid because you are black -- the validity of your statements are enhanced due to your race.

And this isn't something I argue against; I do accept that. I certainly have white privilege, and it seriously limits my understanding of racism. However, when trans people say that they understand cis privilege better than trans people, you cry BIGOTRY repeatedly.

You are a hypocrite, and you're stupid.

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

apologizing after someone pointed out as a BLACK woman I might have some small idea of what it's like the fear the police.

I'm not the one who said it, another person brought up that argument when they told you to check your white privilege. And after you apologized to me, I told you not to apologize to me just because I'm black. Then you called me names again.

And like in a post down below, my point wasn't that as a black person I'm the end all be all expert on racism. Though of course that's what you'd take from it because that's the way you think. My point was that you recognize no reality but your own, no experiences but your own. To the point that you would argue something as ridiculous as I couldn't possibly understand what it means to fear the police.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

Wow, way to lie about what happened.

Did you forget that the posts are still out there and it's nothing like what you describe?

That, in fact, you demanded an apology for me, and got one, and then laughed in my face?

You're a fucking idiot. And you're quite transphobic.

(Also, never once did I say that you couldn't understand what it's like to fear the police. I said you couldn't understand what it's like to fear the police because of being trans, idiot.)