fuckit, I am drinking

[maevele]

I hadn't really locked on to this quote in the rest of the fuckery.

"and not only did the Islamic world in general show indecent glee about the attack "

Yeah. the general Islamic world showed GLEE, INDECENT HEATHEN GLEE, over the attacks.

I think reactions were a bit more split than she thinks. I'm guessing a lot of muslims thought "oh, shit, the americans are gonna really fuck with us now"

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[naomikritzer]

You know, the funny thing is -- one of the things I remember most vividly from the aftermath of 9/11 was the extent to which the opposite was true. Although there was this one shot of kids throwing a party in the Palestinian territories, which got replayed over and over and over, mostly people in the Muslim world reacted the same way as everyone else. On the official diplomatic level they offered national condolences; on a personal level, they left flowers outside of American embassies.

I googled just now to see what I could find, since it has been nine years, after all, and my memory is not perfect. According to Wikipedia, in Iran, huge crowds attended candlelight vigils, and 60,000 football fans held a moment of silence.

I found another site with images, though, which is more what I remember.

A vigil in Bangladesh

A flag lowered to half-staff in Turkey

Schoolgirls observing a moment of silence in the Palestinian territories

Women sign a book of condolences at the U.S. embassy in Jordan

[tacky-tramp.livejournal.com]

It's puzzling, since Moon seems to be generally liberal and not one to put stock in sensationalist Faux News footage selection. And yet there is no other explanation for this.

[al-zorra.livejournal.com]

Naw. I've known her for decades. She's never been liberal. She's a good Christian, living in small community outside of Austin (which is pretty liberal, but she's not part of Austin, except for the Cons).

She has a narrative now, of her life that appears as though it might be leftist or liberal but is the excuse for being a hard ass. My mother suffered as single mother, I've suffered with this that and the other because my mother was a single mother, I went into the military (but not combat or anything remotely resembling the experiences and career of Ginmar, for instance), married a doctor, and am active in my church and community and care for my serverely challenged son. You see how much of this is admirable. But it didn't make her liberal or even urbane. She's not living in a generally diverse or tolerant community -- the community where she's lived for decades.

This is admirable way of life in many ways. But, for too many, it hardens one's arteries for change -- particularly when you've joined the pantheon of SF GREATHOOD which means you're never challenged. But this is something else that seems to have changed in the last decade.

Love, C.

[icecreamempress.livejournal.com]

Yes, this is my memory, too. I think our memory is more accurate here, based on my Googling.

[bemused-leftist.livejournal.com]

The only filmed 'celebration' I heard about -- turned out to be a hoax. It was old footage of celebration of some past sports victory.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

Palestine threw a blood drive to help the Americans.

All around the world, the "Muslim world's" reaction was empathy and sympathy, not cruel celebration.