fuckit, I am drinking

[maevele]

I hadn't really locked on to this quote in the rest of the fuckery.

"and not only did the Islamic world in general show indecent glee about the attack "

Yeah. the general Islamic world showed GLEE, INDECENT HEATHEN GLEE, over the attacks.

I think reactions were a bit more split than she thinks. I'm guessing a lot of muslims thought "oh, shit, the americans are gonna really fuck with us now"

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[emilytheslayer.livejournal.com]

I ALREADY DRINKED. There was wine. We needed it for dinner, but then it was just SITTING there. Now it's in the fridge but part of it is IN MY TUMMY. But then, there's the time difference. So you're right on track.

UGH THAT POST I CAN'T EVEN ASKLADPFKJHSDLGJKH

[pnkrokhockeymom.livejournal.com]

MY WINE WAS FOR DINNER TOO.

but then I drinked it.

[emilytheslayer.livejournal.com]

Lol, we got home from doing laundry at 7:45ish, he promised me dinner in an hour. He went to open the wine and realized that he couldn't find our corkscrew. I found it, and then it was so old that it got bent all to hell on the cork, so at 8:45 I went back out to the liquor store to get a new one. An hour after that we ate, and OMG IT WAS SO WORTH IT. But it meant we kept sipping off the wine with no food whatsoever in my belly, and let's be VERY clear here, I am a cheap drunk. Luckily I was not the one cooking, or dinner would have been like "FUCK IT HERE IS SOME BREAD AND MORE WINE."

I was going to describe my dinner but figure I've derailed enough here, sorry maevele. Unless you want distracting, in which case I am happy to help.

[maevele.livejournal.com]

I got all excited because I remembered I had wine, then I remembered we never found our corkscrew after the move, so I just drank whiskey on the rocks.

[emilytheslayer.livejournal.com]

Ha! We had corkscrewfail too.

[al-zorra.livejournal.com]

Ha. I wisely dranked teh beerz.

But I had to open them with the other end of the corkscrew, coz it was teh foreign beerz without screwtops. Oooops. So unamerican of me.

The older generation of sf writers lost it sometime between 9/11 and Obama's presidency. Particularly the GREATHOOD pros. The last decade has seriously challenged all their unexamined assumptions carried about themselves and their place in the world -- from their unrealized homophobia, bigotry, racism and intolerances of all kinds. In the meantime, for the last thirty years everyone in contact with them bow and scrape and proclaim them the GREATHOOD, so they can't possibly be wrong. Or irrelevant. Times really cannot change for the sf GREATHOOD.

With a few terrific exceptions, of course.

Love, c.

[nmdrkangl.livejournal.com]

http://www.wikihow.com/Open-a-Wine-Bottle-Without-a-Corkscrew

[pnkrokhockeymom.livejournal.com]

been drinkin' bb, since I got home. <3

Not JUST her, but oh lordy be.

[naomikritzer]

You know, the funny thing is -- one of the things I remember most vividly from the aftermath of 9/11 was the extent to which the opposite was true. Although there was this one shot of kids throwing a party in the Palestinian territories, which got replayed over and over and over, mostly people in the Muslim world reacted the same way as everyone else. On the official diplomatic level they offered national condolences; on a personal level, they left flowers outside of American embassies.

I googled just now to see what I could find, since it has been nine years, after all, and my memory is not perfect. According to Wikipedia, in Iran, huge crowds attended candlelight vigils, and 60,000 football fans held a moment of silence.

I found another site with images, though, which is more what I remember.

A vigil in Bangladesh

A flag lowered to half-staff in Turkey

Schoolgirls observing a moment of silence in the Palestinian territories

Women sign a book of condolences at the U.S. embassy in Jordan

[tacky-tramp.livejournal.com]

It's puzzling, since Moon seems to be generally liberal and not one to put stock in sensationalist Faux News footage selection. And yet there is no other explanation for this.

[al-zorra.livejournal.com]

Naw. I've known her for decades. She's never been liberal. She's a good Christian, living in small community outside of Austin (which is pretty liberal, but she's not part of Austin, except for the Cons).

She has a narrative now, of her life that appears as though it might be leftist or liberal but is the excuse for being a hard ass. My mother suffered as single mother, I've suffered with this that and the other because my mother was a single mother, I went into the military (but not combat or anything remotely resembling the experiences and career of Ginmar, for instance), married a doctor, and am active in my church and community and care for my serverely challenged son. You see how much of this is admirable. But it didn't make her liberal or even urbane. She's not living in a generally diverse or tolerant community -- the community where she's lived for decades.

This is admirable way of life in many ways. But, for too many, it hardens one's arteries for change -- particularly when you've joined the pantheon of SF GREATHOOD which means you're never challenged. But this is something else that seems to have changed in the last decade.

Love, C.

[icecreamempress.livejournal.com]

Yes, this is my memory, too. I think our memory is more accurate here, based on my Googling.

[bemused-leftist.livejournal.com]

The only filmed 'celebration' I heard about -- turned out to be a hoax. It was old footage of celebration of some past sports victory.

[kynn.livejournal.com]

Palestine threw a blood drive to help the Americans.

All around the world, the "Muslim world's" reaction was empathy and sympathy, not cruel celebration.

[juliansinger.livejournal.com]

Some of those reactions (http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm), via trinker

[al-zorra.livejournal.com]

The Muslims I know in NYC, where I live, thank you, expressed just the opposite.

In fact, for so many, there was rage, but the rage was, "THIS ISN'T SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN HERE! THIS IS WHY I CAME HERE SO I DIDN'T HAVE TO LIVE WHERE THIS HAPPENS!"

Love, c.

[trinker.livejournal.com]

I'm not clear on whether you clicked that link that juliansinger provided up above. if not, it's a roundup of the global Muslim responses to 9/11.

I expected the Muslim American response to be similar to the one Japanese Americans had toward the bombing of Pearl Harbor - "I am an American, and I'm outraged that *you* people came to attack *us*, and I'm going to be unjustly associated with *you*."

[tessibean.livejournal.com]

INDECENT HEATHEN


really now.

And just another link of glee