whoa

Sep. 14th, 2008 06:05 pm
maevele: (ffs)
[personal profile] maevele
apparently while I've been busy, there's been shitstorms. what a surprise. But what did com as a surprise to me was this term "cisphobia" wtfuckingfuck? It is not "cisphobia" if a trans* person is uncomfortable, mistrusting, or full on angry with cisfolks. just isn't.


also, being oppressed as a woman is not the same as being oppressed for being a transwoman.

also also, not being "femmey" doesn't mean you don't have cis privilege. I also don't do makeup, heels, fancy hair, and this does not mean that I am oppressed for sepping out of the gender binary.
NOt being a girlygirl is not the same as not being cisfemale.
also, also also, just STFU.

thank you.

Date: 2008-09-14 11:12 pm (UTC)
littlebutfierce: (wtf)
From: [personal profile] littlebutfierce
Whoa, what? I've never heard that term before. How absurd. What next, whitephobia??

Date: 2008-09-14 11:13 pm (UTC)
ext_7899: the tenth doctor stands alone (I see what you did there: Ten)
From: [identity profile] rhipowered.livejournal.com
I've been in the thick of some of it, and yeah, shitstorm is the best word. Fucking MESS of idiocy.

Date: 2008-09-14 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maevele.livejournal.com
Seriously, yeah, cisphobia. I guess it's like "reverse racism" or something, because the mean old transpeople are oppressing the sweet innocent ciswomen by, um, being trans, I guess.

Date: 2008-09-14 11:34 pm (UTC)
lcohen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lcohen
that sounds nauseating--somehow i've managed to miss it.

Date: 2008-09-15 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shana-etel.livejournal.com
So being slightly out of the loopy on trans issues since I hardly ever hang out with my trans friends anymore what is the definition of cis/cisphobia. I sort of get the context, but clarification would be nice. Mostly just curious so I can get a better idea of where you are coming from.

Date: 2008-09-15 02:41 am (UTC)
ext_28673: (Default)
From: [identity profile] lisaquestions.livejournal.com
Cis men and women!

And especially cis women because being a trans woman means not having to deal with sexism. It's pretty cool.

Date: 2008-09-15 02:42 am (UTC)
ext_28673: (Default)
From: [identity profile] lisaquestions.livejournal.com
An irrational fear or hatred of non-trans people.

Date: 2008-09-15 04:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maevele.livejournal.com
I somehow blocked out that apparently even cismen are oppressed by the mean old trans community.

and of course transwomen don't deal with sexism, it's not like they're *real wymmmmmyn"

btw, I added you because I enjoy what you post in certain places, but I didn't ask first, so if it's not cool, let me know.

Date: 2008-09-15 04:26 am (UTC)
ext_28673: (Starbuck)
From: [identity profile] lisaquestions.livejournal.com
If anyone friends me, they friend me. If I like the cut of their jib, I friend them back.

Most of my posts are friend-only, so if I want people to read what I say, it helps. :)

Date: 2008-09-15 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emzebel.livejournal.com
Woah, what did I miss?

(And, WTF, but hopefully that goes without saying...)

Date: 2008-09-15 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emzebel.livejournal.com
Oh, I don't know. Given what goes down in certain "progressive open minded" communities, such fear seems pretty rational sometimes.

Date: 2008-09-15 01:46 pm (UTC)
ext_28673: (Default)
From: [identity profile] lisaquestions.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's one of the reasons cisphobia doesn't exist. :)

Date: 2008-09-16 11:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moondancerdrake.livejournal.com
There will always be a level of discomfort when you live with an identity out of the "norm". Those who walk in the light of privilage do not get to play the "poor me" card in my opinion nor do the get a cookie when they toss out tiny crumbs of tolerence. Not sure what shitstorn I've thankfully missed (been in the middle of enough of them lately), but sometimes I wish more people would TRY to listen to others expeiences rather then just instantly discounting them. (sigh)

Date: 2008-09-16 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moondancerdrake.livejournal.com
Yeah, wouldn't surprise me.

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