damn. from voz

[maevele]

Is Cis A Dis? And other air castles to storm… « FemmEssay

a cis feminist making a damn strong point about cis privilege.

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Re: Whoa...Your boss is a cis fag?

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

Cis fags are some of the most hateful close-minded people you ever did see.

If I ever uttered something like this about trans people every person in this thread both trans and cis would come down upon me like Armageddon. People have suggested defriending me for politely disagreeing with them. Yet you say something this hateful and people are nodding so hard their necks are about to break.

How is this any different than the assumptions made about trans people?

Go away, lil troll

[voz-latina.livejournal.com]

It's called the cold, hard voice of experience of deadly oppression at the hands of cis homosexuals.

so, while my assessment is backed up by histiry, and has had frequent deadly consequences for trans women, you are simply barging in here with hurt feelings.

That is the difference.

Re: Go away, lil troll

[estrobutch.livejournal.com]

BUT CIS PPL HAVE FEELINGS TOO!

sorry had to beat her to the punch playing the cis card.

Re: Go away, lil troll

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

The only think I feel is disappointment. And maybe some anger at the hypocrisy.

BUT TROLLS HAVE FEELINGS TOO!!!!

[estrobutch.livejournal.com]

just covering the bases.

Re: Whoa...Your boss is a cis fag?

[estrobutch.livejournal.com]

its about the relationship. voz has no institutional power to call in over a cis fag. with trans people, YOU do.

Re: Whoa...Your boss is a cis fag?

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

Now I understand. It's okay to stereotype and dehumanize as long as I don't have institutional power over that group. Wow, as a poor black queer female I can prejudge oodles of people!

I'm sorry, but bullshit.

Know who the system is made up of? Us. The system isn't just a bunch of rich white heterosexual cis-men. Every single person contributes to a system that oppresses so many. There aren't enough rich white heterosexual cis-men in the world to keep everyone down. One minority keeps down the other and vice versa. Buying into this crap is what keeps the system running.

Maybe Voz doesn't have any institutional power, but maybe someone that reads this thread does. Maybe next time they are interviewing people for positions somewhere in the back of their mind they remember what Voz said and even though they can't put their finger on why, the gay man that applied for the job just doesn't seem the "right fit".

You can't just be like "I'm a victim to the big bad system and therefore not responsible for what I say or do" when your actions perpetuate the big bad system.

Re: Whoa...Your boss is a cis fag?

[estrobutch.livejournal.com]

"poor black queer female" you forgot to mention your also an olympic gymnast of cis privilege. Those were some fancy back flips. but no I do not believe that a homophobe is going to listen to a woman who is queer and trans and decide to bring their homophobia into the workplace because of what she said.

and she wasn't "keeping another minority down" she was calling out ppl who share the experience of being queer for their cis and male privilege. thats pretty different from you saying something transphobic.

Re: Whoa...Your boss is a cis fag?

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

She wasn't calling out anyone, unless she knows all gay cismen in the world personally.

She does not believe in institutional power

[voz-latina.livejournal.com]

nor does she believe in privilege. So, she cannot accurately understand or reply in any meaningful way to anything you or I say. This is why she is talking about hypotheticals as trumping the systemic amnd specific reality of cis homo on trans discrimination discussed here.
To her, talking about cis gay on trans hate is pointless, because, when a gay man exploits a trans man, our kicking and screaming aboput it here needs to be called out, not the original discrimination with very real effects because she is more interested in starting pointless shit than addressing real problems.

ignore her, and she will go away to deny trans lives elsewhere in favor of butthurt gay dude feeeeelllinngs.

Re: She does not believe in institutional power

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

I do believe in institutional power and privilege.

But other than that, you are right. Short of me having massive brain damage I am no more likely to see things your way than I would a bunch of red necks. Because you all stink of the same hatred, petty judgments and bigotry. You just use different terminology to propagate the same tripe.

Re: She does not believe in institutional power

[estrobutch.livejournal.com]

just rednecks? what about hicks, hillbillies and white trash?

I have family in southern appalachia that I give more credit that they' be able do grasp concept of cis privilege than I do you. So why don't you back off the assumptions of how they smell?

Breaking news

[estrobutch.livejournal.com]

Nobody is cis and male privileged unless we've experienced it personally.

this is why its so important for us to always record our experiences in the International Registry of Cisgendered Persons.

Respect mah authoritah!

[voz-latina.livejournal.com]

Agreed. Needing to register and carry cis approved papers is what being T is all about.

and nothing drives that home like a gay cis man telling a trans person to bend over and take it like a good lil subordinate to his power. Except a misguided cis woman privileging hypothetical gay butthurt over a trans man who got robbed out of a year's income.

They are gonna yank my papers for this...unless the cis homos legislate us out of existence first.

oh wait, that has already happened here in Maine. My bad.