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Date: 2010-07-28 08:04 pm (UTC)I don't think people actually understand how tantrums work.
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Date: 2010-07-28 08:07 pm (UTC)it's a derail not a legitimate argument, and especially blatant when it's someone with internet access going on about poor people and their lack of internet access.
(i read as much as i could stomach of the responses to her on Alas)
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Date: 2010-07-28 08:25 pm (UTC)My kids have been in a number of bars, usually of the bar and grill type, or pizza joint with a bar, or the bowling alley, but taking them to the club, or one of the hard drinking bars, would be a shit decision. I was in a lot of bars as a kid myself, but I was a quiet kid who didn't care where I was as long as I had a book, and they were small, family run bars, that my mom's drinking buddies' kids were at as well, and we'd usually move on to a house party by around dark. Of course, I also started getting served shnapps and seven up when I was like 12 at the bar my folks hung out at, but that was a matter of inattentive parenting and a skeezy 20 something bartender.
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Date: 2010-07-28 08:09 pm (UTC)i've been hearing variants of this debate since the 1970s.
i cannot stand another one.
*hides under covers*
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Date: 2010-07-28 09:32 pm (UTC)I'm not even touching the babies in bars thing because that, IMO, was a big derail.
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Date: 2010-07-29 01:36 am (UTC)(that is all.)
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Date: 2010-07-29 05:42 am (UTC)I would really like to have a discussion somewhere on the fucked-uppedness of child-raising in US culture, how other cultures have solutions maybe we could borrow from, and talk about how accessibility for children is a feminist issue. I don't like being told I'm not a part of the movement and have nothing to contribute because I'm not a mother and don't want to be.
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