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[maevele]

so the health care bill passed the house. health care for everyone! except of course, trans people. and no abortions for anybody unless they can pay it out of pocket. So, some health care for many. not so impressive.

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[wild_irises]

Of course, I agree with these points.

At the same time, the history is that these things pass and then improve. Also, the history is that no chamber of the U.S. Congress has ever passed a health care bill of any sort before, let alone one with a public option.

Just simply counting lives, this is a huge amount better than a bill with those two things in it which didn't pass.

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

I heard about the abortion thing, why wouldn't trans people get health care?

[maevele.livejournal.com]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1109/29164.html

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

Wow, why do they even care? Is hating trans people in the Bible too?

[maevele.livejournal.com]

s'been a while since I read the whole thing, but not that I recall.
and they care because zomg, mah tax monies going to sex changes!!1!111

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I get that. But why do they care about sex changes? I get the abortion one, mah tax monies ain't killin' no babies. But I don't get the sex change one. It's not like being trans is a sin, even by the strictest Christian standards. Is it?

[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

Check this out.

The Catholic Church has decreed what trans people's genders really are and that transitioning doesn't change from what the doctor said it was at birth.

I would agree the part that says that transitioning doesn't change your gender. I would disagree with the part that says the church gets to tell me what my gender really is.

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

Wow...they just pull this shit out their ass as they go, don't they? They have no reason to declare being trans a sin, nothing in the Bible to back that up, yet they just do for shits and giggles.

[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

It didn't help that they had a guy (McHugh) who put a decided slant on how he described trans people to the Vatican, but I think they were already inclined to say what they did.

[lady-alyria.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it makes us feel uncomfortable and we don't know how to handle it, so we'll just make it a sin. We can do that. We're God.

And to think I got upset when Bush was taking white out to the Constitution.

I have a serious problem with inconsistency. I'm weird.

[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's pretty much a matter of social control, and it's consistent in that regard, I guess.

But it is an inconsistent application in terms of picking and choosing what makes anyone acceptable as a Christian. Your deeds don't matter, it's your traits that mark you as fallen.

[mystickeeper.livejournal.com]

As someone who's Catholic (and disagrees a lot with the hierarchy for reasons such as this), that's one of the things that's most frustrating to me: many Christians are focused on traits or on what you believe, but part of the point of Catholicism is to be focused on the deeds/works that one performs throughout their life - basically, the way they act.

And yet they spew out crap like this. :[

[dsmoen.livejournal.com]

(Coming from another link....)

...or even that your doctor really gets to tell you what your sex really is. In oh-so-many cases, it's ambiguous to begin with, and doctors tend to go on phenotype rather than genotype. Not that either of them lead to clear answers, necessarily.

[bifemmefatale.livejournal.com]

http://bibleanswer.com/qa06_05.htm
http://www.gendertree.com/Bible%20Verses.htm

Depends on who you ask, as usual with Biblical stuff.

[lisaquestions.livejournal.com]

I haven't been able to find any followup to that - was it actually added or was it just shopped around?

[norabombay.livejournal.com]

I'm pissed about the abortions and trans part. But at least it passed. Thank you jesus, at least it passed.

[karnythia.livejournal.com]

TBH I was expecting the first bill to be relatively weak sauce, because this is one of those things that has to change in stages.

[norabombay.livejournal.com]

I have to admit the same. I'll start with the covering cancer treatment and broken bones, and go from there.

But I wish it was better. And I still don't get the Kucinich vote against.

ETA: Not that I know that much about Kucinich, but I thought he was all green and lefty.

[karnythia.livejournal.com]

He is. I think he was one of the ones pushing for a much more extensive bill.

[norabombay.livejournal.com]

Which is all well and good. But you pss the bill you have, not the one you want to.

Because it's always easier to adjust later when the ground work is in place.

I find being in Chicago weird- after living in Florida & Virgina, I've got reps' who mostly do the right thing. I'm not sure how to deal with this.

[karnythia.livejournal.com]

Our politicians are crooked as fuck, but they know where the butter is on their bread.

[norabombay.livejournal.com]

That is very true. I find it actually quite refreshing. Other than the bit where you can buy them for a smile and a quarter, the Chicago politicians seem pretty straight forward.

No "wide stance" idiots here. Sure, everyone is about as corrupt as they can be, but since that is rarely related to social issues.....

At least they are reliable. And I am so very very glad we didn't get the Olympics. So very glad.

[rosefox]

I listened to some of the debates in the House, and every time a Republican intoned "This is the beginning of the slippery slope toward a single-payer system!" I thought "Well, I sure, hope so!".

[dsmoen.livejournal.com]

Hmm, I know to donate to Planned Parenthood and women's health clinics to help cover abortions and uncovered care for women, but this has brought to mind that I don't know of an equivalent place to donate for trans care.

I'm hoping that if something didn't already exist, it will soon.

[shweta-narayan.livejournal.com]

GAH. Just... just, GAH.
Thanks for posting :(